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Experiment: Finding optimal conditions for growing aquarium plants

Chapter 1: Growing plants with heavy fertilisation in the water column

Introduction

Plants differ not only in shape, color, size or growth rate, but also in their requirements or preferences. While all plants need water, light, heat, nutrients and the absence of harmful influences to grow well, some need to have these mixed in a specific ratio. In a way, it's similar to humans: while some people are not too picky about food (they'll eat anything), gourmets are picky eaters (they despise ordinary food). Similarly, some plants will grow in almost any circumstances (in acidic or alkaline water, in low or high light, in sand or organic soil, in nutrient-poor or nutrient-rich water), while others are a little more "spoiled" and therefore require more specific environmental parameters (whether it concerns the intensity of the light, the physico-chemical parameters of the water, or the composition and characteristics of the substrate). Figuring out what each plant prefers (or downright requires) is not easy. First of all, it requires us to identify all the relevant factors that play a significant role → e.g. pH, redox, organic compounds, light intensity, temperature, content and ratio of different nutrients, substrate properties, microbial composition, etc. These factors then need to be tested in order to clarify the extent to which they influence the outcome - i.e. the growth and condition of our plants. This experiment is an attempt to test a particular set of factors that I have identified as potentially important. [I am by no means claiming that my selection is the most important or comprehensive. But I have to start somewhere.] In each of the eight aquariums, I used a different recipe (i.e., a different set of factors) in the hope of revealing the particular preferences of each [tested] plant. This experiment, however, is only a sort of "first chapter" in a series of other tests that I plan to carry out gradually. I believe, however, that it may provide valuable partial insights from which a more complete picture (mosaic) of our aquarium plants and their needs (preferences) can be assembled over time. More detailed information and further experiments can be found [if interested] on my website: golias.net/akvaristika/.

The main objective

To identify the optimal parameters for cultivation of aquarium plants.

Aquariums

Eight identical aquaria → 20 liters or 5 gallons (net volume) each

Plants

In this experiment I decided to use the following emersion plants (i.e. plants grown in a greenhouse):
  • Ammannia pedicellata 'Gold' (formerly known as Nesaea sp. Gold)
  • Hygrophila corymbosa
  • Pogostemon deccanensis (formerly known as P. erectus)
  • Rotala wallichii

Diagram of plant placement in individual aquariums ↓

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Picture of the fifth aquarium (few days old) ↓

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Picture of all eight experimental aquariums ↓

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Light

Lighting interval: 8h/day

Light intensity (PAR) in individual aquariums:
  • top: 231 µM/m2·s → just below the water surface
  • middle: 98 µM/m2·s
  • bottom: 96 µM/m2·s → at the bottom

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Note: There was no difference between the values in the middle vs. at the corners of the aquarium on the horizontal axis (except for the top section = near the light source).

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↑ Measured with Apogee MQ-610 (full-spectrum quantum meter). The measured values were [in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions] converted for an underwater environment using a correction factor of 1.25.

Substrate

While in the first set (aquaria #1 to #4) a substrate for aquatic plants covered with a layer of pure silica sand was used, in the second set (aquaria #5 to #8) no substrate was used.

1st set → nutrient-rich substrate

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2nd set → no substrate

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Because the organic substrate should contain sufficient N, P and micronutrients (NPµ), these nutrients were not added to the water column; I assumed that some N and P would be leached from the substrate into the water column anyway.

I used a local horticultural substrate for aquatic plants capped with a layer of silica sand.

In aquariums without substrate, I used M16 stainless steel hexagonal nuts inserted into small hydroponic net pots (Ø 5 cm = 2") to anchor the plants. The stems in the nuts were held in place by a small strip of coarse foam.

Water

Note: The recipes below were prepared using pure (demineralized/deionized) reverse osmosis water.

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  • Water flowensured by a surface skimmer (Jingye JY-350)
    • no filtration used
  • Water changes done once a week (with 50% of the water changed) with macro-nutrients replenishment
  • Micro-nutrients added every other day (most in the form of EDTA chelates, iron in the form of gluconate + DTPA)
  • Extra CO2 added to aquaria #1, #3, #5 and #7 using a simple glass diffuser, the function and parameters of which are described in more detail in a separate article
    • target CO2 concentration in these aquaria: ~15 ppm
  • The pH fluctuated or decreased during the experiment (in some aquariums quite significantly) → see photo documentation for week #4.

Documentation

planting: 2024-10-04

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week #1: 2024-10-12

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week #2: 2024-10-19

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week #3: 2024-10-26

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week #4: 2024-11-02

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Details (first experimental set: aquaria #1 to #4):

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Details (second experimental set: aquaria #5 to #8):

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week #5: 2024-11-09

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week #6: 2024-11-16

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week #7: 2024-11-23

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Results

Note: In the first weeks a brown haze was visible in the first experimental set (from leached humic substances from freshly flooded substrate).

The following data is a brief description of the visual condition of the plants in each aquarium (1 to 8). Green indicates best condition, blue indicates good condition and red indicates fair condition.

The pH values below represent the average measured in the last weeks of the experiment.

Ammannia pedicellata 'Gold'

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Hygrophila corymbose

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Pogostemon deccanensis

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Rotala wallichii

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Evaluation

Keep in mind that:
  • Higher light (more energy) = higher nutrient demand (especially CO2) = higher risk of deficiency
  • In the first experimental set, NPμ is absent in the water column and plants there depend on NPμ in the sediment, which might have [negatively] affected the result (yield/condition) compared to the second experimental set → causing NPμ deficiency or heavy metal (or hydrogen sulphide) toxicity in the sediment
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Ammannia pedicellata 'Gold'

Probable characteristics:

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Hygrophila corymbosa

Probable characteristics:

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Pogostemon deccanensis

Note: The purchased plants were not in the best condition, so their onset was considerably delayed (they started to show some growth only from about the third week). Also, this plant [appears] to show no marked signs of deficiency and is therefore not a suitable indicator of malnutrition.

Probable characteristics:

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Rotala wallichii

Probable characteristics:

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I respect what youre trying to say to me. I have two points to address then Im gonna leave you to it, and I mean no disrespect

I think our disagreements are largely a misunderstanding. I suspect you're interpreting what I wrote differently than I meant it.
I dont believe we have a misunderstanding at all. I know what you said about my plants in our pm. I only quoted part of it here in public to give context for my question - since according to you we cant judge "truly healthy plants" (whatever that means) by their looks, then what metrics are you using for these experiments to know which results are the truly good ones vs ones that just look the best

You have no answer for that because youre basing these results on looks and growth rates too. Of course you are, what other metric is there?

Its the numbers I recommend you have a problem with. You were sad-face reacting to my posts in various threads, half a dozen of them. Which is what sparked our pm convo to begin with, which I started by simply asking "Hey Marcel, why are you sad facing all my posts"? You responded with analogy after analogy of things that look healthy but are not

And youre still doing it here, last page you'd moved on to cigarette smokers ...

So no, we do not have a misunderstanding at all

I'd just appreciate it if you didn't pass off those greenhouses as an objective yardstick.

To be continued ...

People see my plants. They want to know what Im dosing. I tell them. They try it. Usually works.

People having issues want to know how to correct them. The only advice I can give is what Ive seen work for me. They try it. Usually works

If that is the "objective yardstick" you dont appreciate, then idk what to tell you. Would you prefer I never share my dosing numbers or advise people? Thats ridiculous. How many hobbyists have you helped by giving them advice? Even your fascinating experiments, what have they ever shown that other hobbyists can apply to their own tanks for better results? None that I can tell.

All they've served is a platform for you to preach to the masses how other routines are bad. The only reason you started the first one was to prove EI and Tom wrong. I was there when you first came to the forums. These other guys werent but I was. I remember.

Have you ever even ran a successful planted tank yourself? Ive never seen one if you have? So I personally would appreciate if you didnt bash my methods that actually do help people, proven time and time again, when you have literally zero examples or advice of your own to offer

All I can say at this point is good luck in your quest to find the elusive "optimum conditions to grow aquarium plants" in
 
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I’m all for healthy debate, but I don’t think this qualifies anymore. This isn’t good for anyone. My vote is for a mutual de-escalation. Also, whatever is said in personal messages should stay there. That’s my two cents.
 
To everyone else reading, Im sorry if it seems like Im posting out of line itt, overreacting or going overboard. Youll just have to excuse my hijacking for a minute. My guy here's been sad-face reacting to my posts all across the board, whenever I give advice or dosing numbers (except my journal, hasnt done it there) And when I PM him asking why, he responds with long long diatribes explaining to me why we cant go by looks and all that. So just know that I apologize in advance and will make it brief

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Marcel how about we agree that you dont throw negative shit towards me personally. By that I mean if I share my dosing to somebody, give some advice etc. Keep your feelings to yourself if you dont like it. Better yet just offer them a better solution if you have one

And I promise to do the same thing with everything you write

We can just agree to disagree on everything else. Deal?
 
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Not even going to argue with that falsehood. I apologize again to everyone. Dont take your ball and go home Marcel, keep doing what you do. It really is some fascinating work that many are interested in. Hopefully we can all just move on
 
Off-topic: I have asked @Art to delete my posts from this thread (starting with post #5) so that my [for some too controversial] opinions don't cause offence or overreaction here. I deleted my more recent posts, which were still editable, myself. I don't do so in any aversion, but to avoid stirring up controversy here. @Burr740 and I obviously have a strained relationship, so I put him on "ignore" list so that his posts wouldn't provoke my reactions that could be misinterpreted. I hope this calms things down.
 
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Your views arent controversial. It has nothing to do with that. The problem is you go out of your way to be negative towards any method you dont like. Made worse by the fact that you really have no alternatives to offer. Thats why I took it probably a little too personal when you started doing that with my stuff

But I didnt mean to bring such drama to the board, and probably shouldnt've said some of those things. Apologies again to everyone involved
 
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NOTICE: Given my severely limited ability to communicate with others via social media in today's world in a way that is mutually agreeable and does not lead to conflict (I've tried many times and always failed), I prefer not to participate in any online discussion. If you have any questions or would like to discuss other matters with me, please use the mail channel: golias.net/akvaristika/contact.php.
 
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I would like to apologize for my last post which which, while in jest, may be misconstrued and unnecessary. I don’t feel like this thread should be deleted. There’s nothing inherently controversial here. We’re all playing in a space that is not bound by centuries of scientific rigor, and I don’t think there’s a single person within this community that lacks the humility to accept constructive criticism.

These are the kind of threads I came searching for when first getting my feet (hands) wet. The healthy debate and conversation is part of the process.
 
I would like to apologize here to anyone I may have offended with some of my posts (even in other threads). At the same time, I would like to express my own frustration with the way the "discussion" is usually conducted here. I do not consider such a way to be a discussion (in the true sense of the word). The frustration is therefore mutual. I don't think I can't have a substantive and respectful discussion if the conditions are right. Unfortunately, I do not find such conditions here, which then results in a certain irritation that manifests itself externally. Perhaps cultural differences (American casualness vs. European rigor, etc.) are also to some extent to blame. There is probably no point in commenting further.
 

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