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DIY Daily All in One or All in Two Fertilizer

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I'm going to try DIY daily tank dosing. I've already made my mix. I'm going to do macros in one and micros separate.
I'm just curious..... if you were going to do DIY Daily ferts, how would you mix and/or what target levels would you shoot for per dose?

Additionally, if dosing daily, and want to test your levels. When is the best time? After dosing to make sure you have enough?
 
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I would, when feasible, swith to KCL if not already. Then have a solution with a 2ml per 10 gallon dose that adds 4.5 NO3, 1.2 PO4 and 6K.
4.5ppm NO3 daily? That is a similar nutrient ratio to @Burr740 mix and he does 4 doses of that a week... I believe. I was dosing similar recently and my NO3 was running like 13ppm using 4 doses of that/week.

I tried to question AI about how much was in some other commercial formulas, but it seemed way too much. I decided my AI questioning skills weren't so great. :D

Do you add that much? Also, I added a question about testing to my original post. You might have a good idea on that as well.

I front load K to my tank when I do a water change. Do you think I'd need that much K (6ppm) in a daily dose as well?
 
This is how I've been running my tanks for about 6 months!
I'm going to try DIY daily tank dosing. I've already made my mix. I'm going to do macros in one and micros separate.
I think of macros in terms of NPK relative to NO3. For example, I like my macros to deliver, for every 1ppm NO3, approx 0.3ppm PO4 and ~0.75ppm K.
I base my dosing around this NO3 rate.

For example, if I want to dose 1ppm NO3 per day, I know that I'm also dosing 0.3ppm PO4 per day, too. Some might think that I'm not providing enough K, but that's because I dose the other ppm K with the remineralizers (Ca/Mg as GH).

I've had good success with this method; I aim for anywhere from 30-40ppm K in the water, anywhere from 20-30ppm NO3 in the water, and anywhere from 4-9ppm PO4 in the water. Super easy to do with a Macros solution that provides 1-0.3-0.7 per "x" amount.

I'm just curious..... if you were going to do DIY Daily ferts, how would you mix and/or what target levels would you shoot for per dose?
Let's say you want to have a 1L media bottle as the primary fert bottle. I'd start with 800mL RO water, add your salts, then top up to exactly 900mL. Use a 1L graduated cylinder, don't trust the markings on media bottles.

Use Rotala Butterfly for your tank's size, and decide on how much mL per day you want to equal to 1ppm NO3. For example, dosing 0.5mL/day is too small of a dose to dose accurately, either by hand or with an auto doser.

If using auto dosers, like I do, I aim for 2 or 3ml of solution to provide 1ppm NO3 of my macros solution:
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For example, in my 34 gal (actual volume) tank, I'll add 94.4g KNO3 to my 900mL water to start my 1-0.3-0.75 solution. I create a scenario where 2mL of this macros solution raises my 34 gallons by 1ppm NO3, 0.3ppm PO4, and 0.75ppm K.


Ok, first let's make sure we're clear about daily dosing. At the start of the week, you should still be adding a "front load" dose of some levels.

Daily dosing should provide near, or preferably slightly above, daily consumption levels.
Water changes are still important to help re-balance your water column over time, and front-loading ensures a defined "level" of nutrients that you should hover around. You can visualize this easily with my nutrient accumulation calculator:

Two examples with a tank that consumes 2.0ppm NO3 per day (common in high energy tanks):

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Just daily dosing your macros with a rate of 2.5ppm NO3 per day prevents it from "bottoming out", but keeps levels at/around 5ppm NO3, which is often not enough in the water column unless using rich, fresh aquasoil. Even with aquasoil, most high energy tanks need much more than 5ppm NO3 in the water column to prevent algae on plants.


Adding a front-loading dose of 12ppm after water change, and maintaining 2.5ppm macros per day, results in something like this:
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In inert sand tanks like mine, I almost NEED to keep my NO3 (and connected macros) at/near these levels to prevent algae growth.


The point is, the best way to use daily dosing is to use it to match/slightly overdose your daily consumption levels.

Additionally, if dosing daily, and want to test your levels. When is the best time? After dosing to make sure you have enough?
This is a great question! There are a few ways to do this, but I'd always recommend initially testing your levels at the same time each day, across the week. For example, if you do your water change + initial dose on Day 1, I'd test at 9am on Day 2 and 9am on Day 6, while dosing the same time each day, and compare the levels.
  • If they're similar or slightly higher, you've set your daily dosing rate to a good rate!
  • If they're slightly lower or majorly lower, you need to increase your daily dosing rate.
  • If they're way above normal (45ppm NO3, etc) then you've set your daily dosing rate too high.

How I've been doing it with once-weekly testing right before WC:​

I change 70% of the water with each water change, and always dose 20ppm NO3 after each water change.

Mathematically, if I were to perform 70% WC each week with zero plant consumption, while dosing 20ppm NO3 after WC, my NO3 levels should level out around 28ppm:
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This gives me an understanding of what a 20ppm initial dose looks like with 70% water changes over time

Here's what my actual dosing looks like right now:
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Initial dose of 20ppm, with ~2.8ppm daily NO3 dosing.

With plant consumption taken into account, and daily dosing at 2.8ppm NO3/day after the initial 20ppm NO3 dose, my levels should hover around 26-27ppm NO3.

If I test my NO3 levels at the end of the week (right before water change), and they are at/below 20ppm NO3, I know I need to dose more per day.
If levels are at 30ppm NO3, I'm probably good to leave it there, or maybe slightly reduce. Remember, better to be higher than lower.
If levels are at 40ppm NO3, I'll reduce the daily rate.
If levels are at 20ppm NO3, I'll increase the daily rate.

No matter what, I'm always going to add my initial 20ppm NO3 macros dose. That's easy to do, just tell the dosers to manually add 40mL of this macros solution after water change and I'm done.

This keeps macros levels SUPER stable, and is easy to work with testing. This system is the reason I tested the Hanna Nitrate Colorimeter, so I'd have actual ppm numbers to go off of for my macros, using NO3 as the main marker. You can also use the phosphate high-range colorimeter from Hanna, too, and the Salifert Potassium kit is pretty reliable as well.

Once you get the hang of it, you won't need to do any testing anymore. In fact, the only reason I test isn't to know levels, it's simply to monitor macros levels consumption. If your tank is a hardscape-heavy nature style, it might not consume 1.5ppm NO3/day. If your tank is a densely planted garden/dutch tank like mine, it's likely to eventually consume 2-4ppm NO3 per day.

For micros I'm still experimenting, but I have success with 0.05ppm Fe per day, dosed via auto doser. My experiences with front-loading micros is that they cause algae/stunting if dosed too high in one go, hence why I stick with 0.05ppm Fe by proxy per day at the moment.

LMK what questions you have!
 
For reference, my solution gives me 2.5ppm NO3, 0.8ppm PO4, and 2ppm K per 2ml dose. I'm using Burr micros. I'm giving a double dose after 50% water change and then a single dose daily afterwards of each. 1 dose of Burr Micros for me is 1ml rather than the usual 2ml. I started about 4 days ago.

This is how I've been running my tanks for about 6 months!
Oh yeah? I thought you did a big dose after w/c and then a catch-up dose later in the week. I have to go back and look at your journal. I don't remember seeing you mention you had changed..... or I forgot. I asked you some months back why you didn't dose daily since you had the dosers. I believe your response was that the way you did it had always worked well for you.

One reason I'm trying the daily method is because I'm starting to believe that with aquasoil, the dynamic of initial KH and PO4 absorption and then subsequent NH4 depletion just makes the stability of daily dosing work better. It keeps some part of the nutrients stable and allows the plants to slowly adapt as the auqasoil goes through its depletion cycles.

I think of macros in terms of NPK relative to NO3. For example, I like my macros to deliver, for every 1ppm NO3, approx 0.3ppm PO4 and ~0.75ppm K.
I base my dosing around this NO3 rate.
I've used he 3:1 NO3;PO4 ratio before. I was trying to go a bit higher with PO because it seems my aquasoil tank always has no PO4. By mistake I ended up back at about 3:1. We'll see how it works.

Totally unrelated, if you put a colon and P in your text, BB code renders as :P, so that is why I have a ;PO4 above. Ugh

Some might think that I'm not providing enough K, but that's because I dose the other ppm K with the remineralizers (Ca/Mg as GH).
OK that answers another question. My mix has 2ppm K. I felt that was fine since I front load also, but I'm glad for the confirmation.

Use a 1L graduated cylinder, don't trust the markings on media bottles.
Oops... don't have one of those.

If using auto dosers, like I do, I aim for 2 or 3ml of solution to provide 1ppm NO3 of my macros solution:
I have 1ml squirt bottles. I also have 2ml, but 2 pumps just feels better. I know... weird 😆

Ok, first let's make sure we're clear about daily dosing. At the start of the week, you should still be adding a "front load" dose of some levels.
I'm doing a couple doses after water change, but based on your info below, I'm not sure I'm starting out at enough. To be continued....

The point is, the best way to use daily dosing is to use it to match/slightly overdose your daily consumption levels.
I started to say, I've not been successful at determining my daily consumption levels because the test kits just aren't specific enough, but you've tackled that below.

This is a great question! There are a few ways to do this, but I'd always recommend initially testing your levels at the same time each day, across the week. For example, if you do your water change + initial dose on Day 1, I'd test at 9am on Day 2 and 9am on Day 6, while dosing the same time each day, and compare the levels.
  • If they're similar or slightly higher, you've set your daily dosing rate to a good rate!
  • If they're slightly lower or majorly lower, you need to increase your daily dosing rate.
  • If they're way above normal (45ppm NO3, etc) then you've set your daily dosing rate too high.
OK, I'll give my tank a couple weeks to settle down and then test after a water change but before adding ferts to get an idea what I'm starting with. Then repeat dose a couple times during the week to see how things are holding out. As long as the levels stay about the same, and the plants look good, I should be OK. Will evaluate per your recommendations mentioned further down.

For micros I'm still experimenting, but I have success with 0.05ppm Fe per day, dosed via auto doser. My experiences with front-loading micros is that they cause algae/stunting if dosed too high in one go, hence why I stick with 0.05ppm Fe by proxy per day at the moment.
That works. I'll do my plan and you do yours. We'll see how it goes for both of us.

LMK what questions you have!
None now, but it is my nature to come up with a dozen later.

The plan now is to continue what I was doing a couple weeks to build up steady state levels while observing plant happiness. I'm not sure I'm starting with a high enough levels of macros to begin with, so then I'll do some testing to see where I am.
 

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