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Auto dosing? What are you dosing?

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Given my current life situation, I try to automate everything I can. My goal is to achieve as much consistency as possible, in spite of, my inconsistent day to day.

One area that I'm re-thinking about is fertilizing. Today, I front-load both macros and micros after a weekly water change. As such, my auto doser is sitting idle. I'm wondering if I should try to implement it in some way since I already have it.

My question is for those of you that auto dose. What are you dosing and how?

I have two heads in my auto doser (the Neptune Apex DOS).

Let's not get into it about what is best. I just want to know what you're doing and how it's going.

Thanks!
 
Well, I auto dose every day with my dosing bottles and me being the motor…

In essence, feed the fish, feed the plants.. for me it is just easier to do it that way daily so I dont forget what day it is and forget.. and by golly, is today a macro or a micro day…. Nope. Simple dose both every day when I feed the fish…. Somehow I just dont forget to feed the fish daily…


So, what am I dosing? I mixed up macros to PPS pro mix on GLA. And the co2 enriched tanks get 2.0 NO₃, 0.20 PO₄, 2.66 K, 0.20 Mg, daily. On the weekend I do a 66% water change and front load N8, P 0.8, K 10.64.. in order to get levels back up closer to what they were before water change.. so on a weekly basis I am putting inN20 p2, K26.

I have done nitrate testing daily for a few weeks along with testing samples that were 50 diluted using API nitrate test. The dilution help to discern better between full strength sample being 10 or 20 ppm.

FWIW, the colors stayed very consistent at all times, so my inference is daily dosing is largely replenishing what was consumed in prior day…

Micros simply get 2 mls for every 10 gallons of tank capacity and are mixed to hit fe 0.45 proxy in 7 doses.

I know I dont have automated pumps doing it, but I thought the dosing info might still be useful for you.

I am happy with it, and the plants seem happy and healthy…

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I've been experimenting with autodosing for a while! I really like large weekly water changes, like 70%+, but learning how to create a setup that kept fertilizer levels consistent hasn't been easy.

I use Chihiros auto dosers and the new GHL Doser 3 to daily dose my tanks.

I created my Accumulation Calculator to help show consumption levels in tanks.

My thoughts and findings:​


In low-energy tanks, (1.0ppm NO3 consumption per day or less) front-loading is great (using ppm NO3 as a proxy for all macros):
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None of this needs auto-dosing. 50% WC, an initial dose of macros at 15ppm NO3 after WC, and your tank will probably run great. Co2 injection and high light not necessary.


And in middle-to-higher-energy tanks (2.5ppm NO3 consumption per day) with larger water changes, adding more via not only extra dosing, but a midweek booster dose really helps keep things consistent:
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Still easy to dose, just one 20ppm dose after WC and on3 10ppm dose midweek. Can be done manually, or with an autodoser.


However, in really high energy tanks (say, 3.5ppm NO3 consumption per day, which my tanks were reaching with enough plant biomass) front-loading wasn't capable of keeping things stable:

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A single front-loaded dose, with large weekly WC, causes massive 21ppm swings front-loading in a high energy tank. Yikes! This would cause unhappy plants, and therefore algae, for sure.


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Even splitting the dose into two doses still had a large 10.5ppm swing or more through the week. It helps a lot, but at 3.5ppm consumed per day, it's hard to keep up without increasing the frequency of dosing through the week.


However, if you ONLY daily dose macros without some front-loading included after large water changes, it causes it's own swings:

Let's say you have a low-ish-energy tank, and you daily dose your macros, but don't do any front-loading after 50% water changes:
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Dosing 3ppm NO3 per day still has a ~9ppm swing. Macros are also pretty low. With aquasoil this would be fine, with inert substrates this might not be enough to maintain some plant's health.

But what about only daily dosing in a high-energy tank?
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Not so bad in terms of weekly swings, but the actual ppm concentration in the water would only work with aquasoil-based tanks. Inert substrate tanks would really struggle with NO3 levels this low, in a high energy system.

Here's what I've been testing: what if you combined the 3 concepts? (Large water changes, initial front-loading, AND daily dosing near/above consumption levels):​


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Now we're talking! In a high-energy tank that consumes a ton of nitrates (3.0ppm per day), you can still have extremely stable levels over time despite large water changes, by including an initial 18ppm NO3 dose after the weekly 70% WC.

So far in my testing, this really has been the "best of all 3 worlds".

  • With large weekly water changes, you keep lots of DOCs from accumulating, as well as having more confidence in mathematically resetting your nutrient balances should something be a bit off. You also remove all sorts of proteins and micro-molecules that may accumulate over time.
  • With an initial front-loading dose, you keep your macros from ever dropping too low, and helping re-fertilize the water column after the large WC.
  • With a daily dose, you can aim to be around (or, I recommend, just higher than) your daily consumption levels.
With this system, if your consumption levels are 2.0ppm/day, just dose 2.5ppm/day with a front-loading dose after large WC and your levels will stay super consistent.

Because this system also balances daily dosing with consumption levels, you can actually test these levels across the week to see what your daily consumption levels are. For example:

  • I perform a large WC on Sunday, front-load the macro dose, and let it sit for an hour to reach stability. Then, test the NO3 level (with something like the Hanna Nitrate Checker). Say it tests 24ppm NO3.

  • At the end of the week, test your nitrates. If they're risen to 30ppm NO3, you know your daily dosing was slightly higher than the consumption rate. I'd leave the dosing there, since it's always better to be slightly higher than lower.

  • If, at the end of the week, your nitrates test 16ppm NO3 and you notice less pearling from plants (This happens in an inert substrate system, not so much with aquasoil) then you know your daily dosing rate was below the daily consumption rate.
Perform your water change, add an initial front-loading dose to the new water, then set your daily dosing rate to whatever you think is best.

I've been doing this with a ton of success in both of my inert sand tanks:
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Shoutout to @Burr740 for convincing me that inert substrate systems may inhernetly need a higher concentration of macros in the water column. For a while I was aiming for something along the lines of 15ppm NO3, 3ppm PO4, and 20ppm K. It wasn't until I raised those numbers to more like 25ppm NO3, 6ppm PO4, and 35ppm K that I saw better success. Again, you really may not need such concentration with aquasoil tanks, but I've seen the results for myself!

Some of the drawbacks of this system include that you are relying on accurate dosing from your pumps, as well as accurate known concentrations of fertilizers in your dosing bottles, and a fairly accurately known water change volume removed/added. You might also need to do some testing of NO3/PO4/K over time to make sure you've got it right, but once you've got it right it really just hums along.

I do love that I don't have to dry dose each week anymore. In fact, I just type numbers into the app on my phone and the dosers dose the rest, whether that's for front-loading or daily dosing. Making one large bottle of macro ferts from dry salts is super each and cheap. I just "top off" the dosing bottles as necessary.
 
My low-tech tanks get daily dosing of @Burr740 ‘s low-tech all-in-one at recommended levels. I don’t add any extra after a water change, and I change 25-30% of the water (mostly) weekly. I’m also dosing RO water to the Hillstream tank to keep the water level about right between water changes.

My high tech tanks get his regular macros and micros at recommended levels. The micros are dosed daily with nothing extra added after a water change. About half the macros are added after the water change, and the rest divided into 7 daily doses. The water change is 50% weekly. If I have to skip a week, the tanks will still get their 7 daily doses, but not the extra that they would normally get after a water change.
 
I dose 1 ml/10 gallons of APT3 daily in each of my five tanks(10,10,20,29,70) using sentia dosers. Plants look good in all tanks with the exception of some Anubias & Buce melt shortly after introduction to the tanks. I will eventually get to a point where I’ll start mixing my own - just haven’t gotten that far yet!
 
Well, I auto dose every day with my dosing bottles and me being the motor…

In essence, feed the fish, feed the plants.. for me it is just easier to do it that way daily so I dont forget what day it is and forget.. and by golly, is today a macro or a micro day…. Nope. Simple dose both every day when I feed the fish…. Somehow I just dont forget to feed the fish daily…


So, what am I dosing? I mixed up macros to PPS pro mix on GLA. And the co2 enriched tanks get 2.0 NO₃, 0.20 PO₄, 2.66 K, 0.20 Mg, daily. On the weekend I do a 66% water change and front load N8, P 0.8, K 10.64.. in order to get levels back up closer to what they were before water change.. so on a weekly basis I am putting inN20 p2, K26.

I have done nitrate testing daily for a few weeks along with testing samples that were 50 diluted using API nitrate test. The dilution help to discern better between full strength sample being 10 or 20 ppm.

FWIW, the colors stayed very consistent at all times, so my inference is daily dosing is largely replenishing what was consumed in prior day…

Micros simply get 2 mls for every 10 gallons of tank capacity and are mixed to hit fe 0.45 proxy in 7 doses.

I know I dont have automated pumps doing it, but I thought the dosing info might still be useful for you.

I am happy with it, and the plants seem happy and healthy…

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I like that dosing philosophy. Also good tip on the dilution of the sample. It can be difficult to ascertain an accurate figure between 10 & 20 sometimes. I alternate days between macros and micros but occasionally I get them mixed up as I do multiple tanks and its all in my head lol.
Obviously there doesn't seem to be a problem then dosing macros and micros at the same time. I think I'll employ the same strategy.
 
I use the Chihiros dosing pumps, with 4 channels. Iron, micros, phosphate and potassium combined, and then nitrate (with some potassium also).
It has allowed me to work out roughly what amounts I need to dose to keep pretty even levels throughout the week. I then use the pumps to also front load some of the macros after a water change, using the single dose feature.
I have mixed my dosing liquids so that 10ml of the PO4 + K adds 0.25 ppm of PO4, 0.75 ppm K, and 10ml of my nitrate mix adds 1ppm NO3 and 0.5 ppm of K, which makes the front loading maths easier.
I make up concentrated versions of each in a batch, and put them into 100ml amber glass bottles that sit at the back of my fridge. Pour the 100ml into the dosing container and then top up to the line with RO or distilled water.
I am still working out how long the bottles keep in the fridge, but I made up about 3 months worth last time and it was fine. As an experiment I have made up 6 months worth this time, but only for my curiosity. I feel that making them up 4 times a year isn’t too taxing and lowers the risk of any spoiling.
 
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