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Resource Hanna CO2 Test Kit: My experience so far (and why you're probably not starting CO2 injection early enough)!

OK, so what's the trick to being able to see the "pink" coloration? I followed the instructions and kinda, maybe saw the clear liquid take a very slight pink hue. The result would have been higher than what I was expecting but somewhere in the ballpark. I watched Jeff Miotke's Yugang video in which he tested his and he got a very obvious pink color. I also watched a video by Hanna and saw very obvious pink color. What am I missing?
 
In titration, faint pink is the target. Solid pink is usually overshooting the actual amount.
If you add an amount from the skinny titration syringe, give it a light swirl in the vial and wait. It should go in pink, then clear up if you're not there yet.

Once you've approached the titration point, it will get pink and take longer to dissolve to clear. If you give it a swirl and it does not clear up, even after 5-10 seconds and some swirling, you're there.

The closer you are to the titration point, the longer it will take to clear up until, eventually, it doesn't go clear and instead has a faint pink hue to the water.
 
In titration, faint pink is the target. Solid pink is usually overshooting the actual amount.
If you add an amount from the skinny titration syringe, give it a light swirl in the vial and wait. It should go in pink, then clear up if you're not there yet.

Once you've approached the titration point, it will get pink and take longer to dissolve to clear. If you give it a swirl and it does not clear up, even after 5-10 seconds and some swirling, you're there.

The closer you are to the titration point, the longer it will take to clear up until, eventually, it doesn't go clear and instead has a faint pink hue to the water.
Yeah, it's not working that way for me, even after watching videos of how to do it. I can't get an obvious pink and then see it fade.
 
Are you sure that you don't actually have more than 50ppm CO2? What is your KH?

I am reaching the end of one of my test kits, and halfway through the other one. In my low KH tanks I have found them to be extremely precise for CO2 measurement, so I doubt you got a dud.

See the post here where someone also had more than 50ppm CO2, which they confirmed with a pH pen reading later:
 
Do you have a drop checker you can compare against?

Also, just to confirm, you are testing via:

  1. 10mL water sample in vial
  2. 1 drop of phenolphthalein indicator into vial, gentle swirl
  3. Add a full titration syringe dropwise until the solution stays light pink
?
 
Yep, doing all those things, 1 tank has medium KH, the other low kh. both have drop checkers at lime green. have monitored ph and get the 1.0 drop in the low kh tank but never quite get a 1.0 drop in the medium kh tank. Would be shocked if the CO2 is that high, but I suppose I can try the 0-100 range test.
 
Lime green could absolutely be upwards of 50ppm. My big tank usually sits at 40ppm with a lime green checker, but my smaller tank was consistenly showing more than 50ppm CO2 with a lime green checker, which it definitely turned out to be. Give the higher range a try, and if you're concerned about livestock health then dial your CO2 down a bit, but if your oxygen/surface agitation is good and your livestock don't seem bothered, I'd say you're fine!

CO2 and oxygen are independent in water. Well oxygenated water can support 50ppm CO2 without gassing livestock.
 
Well, call me shocked. Just tested even though the CO2 has been off now for a couple hours. Using the 0-100 scale I finally saw more pink when I swirled (still a bit hard to see but more obvious than before). After 2 hours with CO2 off I'm still reading over 25ppm so I guess it's possible I was over 50.
 
Even though livestock have always seemed fine, I think I might still dial back a little. I'm going to try to reproduce the tests a few times to be sure. I think it just surpises me because I thought anything over 35 would be very detrimental to fish and shrimp. Of course I then saw posts here talking about setting it at 40.
 
Seems like you got it sorted, but I was going to add that for mine, it helps to put it in front of something perfectly white like a piece of printer paper. The light in my spare bathroom where I do my testing is a bit yellow. I can usually tell, but if for some reason I'm struggling some day, taking the test to a window with a piece of printer paper makes it simple.

Also, as you noted, I get frustrated when it is pink for several seconds and then I look back, and it's clear. However, that's helpful because the longer it stays pink, the closer you're getting to the end.
 
I thought anything over 35 would be very detrimental to fish and shrimp.
In low-oxygen tanks (low flow, undersized HOB/Canister filter, no skimmer, tons of surface scum) CO2 over 35ppm is detrimental, even fatal. So you're correct there. Since most hobbyists starting the CO2 journey have tanks like this, it isn't inaccurate at all.

If you increase surface agitation, keep the surface free of scum, and have good flow pattern in the tank, the amount of oxygen can compltely offset high CO2 injection.



I just took this video, here you can see just how much surface agitation I have. The entire surface is always rippling 24/7 with aggressive flow. Sure, I use more CO2 faster, but I'd rather use up an extra $15/month in CO2 costs and have amazing plants and inhabitant health!
This tank sits at about 40ppm CO2 during the first 2/3rds of the photoperiod, though the drop checker is only 'regular' green since the CO2 has been turned off for the last two hours.

With this much surface agitaiton, I lose 75% of my CO2 ppm overnight.
CO2 injection starts at 5am and reaches ~30-35ppm by 9am, when the lights come on.
It rises to ~40ppm during the photoperiod, usually peaking at 10am and dropping due to plant use.
The CO2 shuts off at ~3pm.
 
I don't have that much surface agitation, more of a constant gentle ripple on the surface, but I do have the skimmer on the outflow pipe and really good subsurface flow. This is all great info though. Thanks!
My point is that you probably have really good oxygen in your tank with a setup like that, so it's totally feasible you're reaching a peak of 50+ ppm CO2 during the day without agitating your inhabitants, and the Hanna kit is likely spot on!
 
Today's testing went better. I don't think my numbers were quite as high as it appeared they might be. I think it was just me needing a better testing technique. Today, holding the test vial in my right hand up high in the light with the white kitchen cabinets as a backdrop, adding the drops at a slightly faster rate with the left hand while swirling the vial simultaneously, I could see the light puffs of pink appear and then disappear until they finally didn't. My numbers still show higher than I expected (about 45) but not 60. I'm still turning down the bubble rate just a little because plant growth has been great. If I see negative changes, I'll tweak back up again. All the help is much appreciated. Now I have to figure out all this dosing stuff. :)
 
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The 2hrAquarist legend Dennis Wong tested the Hanna Test Kit vs a $3,000+ CO2 testing device and found accurate results in low kH aquasoil based tanks when compared. $30 for CO2 readings vs $3,000+!

It's a simple kit that comes with simple instructions, two differently sized vials for different detection ranges, a titration syringe phenolphthalein indicator, and an NaOH solution of some unknown concentration to titrate with.

For the range of detection on the Hanna CO2 test kit we want (0-50ppm):
  • Add 10mL of aquarium water to the small flask. Add 1 drop phenolphthalein and swirl gently.
  • With the titration syringe (markings are "reversed" from traditional syringes), add the NaOH solution dropwise and swirl gently until color goes from clear to pink. Don't shake/agitate, or you will de-gas your CO2 concentration.
  • For the 50ppm detection range, multiply the number on the syringe by 50 to get your result (if you used 0.4mL NaOH to turn the vial pink, you would have 20ppm CO2).

My findings:​

It seems to be "accurate" based on my comparisons with 1) drop checkers, 2) my pH reading/meter, and 3) the inhabitant-response (fish gasping at 35+ppm, shrimp uncomfortable at 30ppm+). It's not perfectly accurate (±5ppm), but it does a good "instant" job at giving some information in about 1-2 minutes. The kit also comes with enough for MANY, many tests (at least a hundred). For $30 I think it should become standard equipment for most CO2-injecting hobbyists.

I was worried about interactions with other acids in the flask, and I'm sure there are a few, but in clean, low-kH water, it doesn't seem like a problem. I found some stuff online from published journal articles about how there are no other worrisome strong acids to compete with the NaOH and that the CO2 readings from NaOH titration are generally accepted as accurate (in peer-reviewed journals). Not a silver bullet for CO2 testing, but really helps me get an understanding of my tank and keep it dialed in.

How I use it

  • If I want a quick glance of CO2 concentration for whatever reason in that moment (e.g., my fish are lethargic or shimp are at the surface).

    OR, the more complex way using it to dial in CO:

  • Day 1 of CO2 on a new tank: I keep an eye on inhabitants and their behaviors (to make sure I don't over-inject) and I test 2-3 times throughout the day. The most important is the test done right before the CO2 shuts off, which would be the maximum CO2 level for the day. As long as I didn't get to "true yellow" on my Drop Checker, I hopefully plateaued in terms of injection, finding the equilibrium between injection and off-gassing.

  • On Day 2: CO2 comes on 1-3 hours before the photoperiod. I compare the CO2 readings at the very start of the photoperiod, once during, and once at the end. A quick estimative plot on the graph should tell me if I'm at/around equilibrium.
    • For example, if my tank tests 6-10ppm CO2 before the solenoid turns on, then 20ppm when the lights come on, then 25ppm halfway through the photoperiod, and 30ppm by the end of the photoperiod, I know I'm somewhere in the proper "zone" (highlighted in pale yellow):

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  • On Day 3: I double-check the measurement at the start of the photoperiod, during, and at the end of the CO2 injection. As long as all 3 are close/approaching 30ppm, we're good!

On general timing of CO2 injection in this hobby:​


I continue to hear/read from reputable sources about how plants use the most CO2-per-hour in the first 3-4 hours of the photoperiod, which is why it's so important to have CO2 injection reach/near 30ppm @ equilibrium between injection and off-gassing.

Many beginners inject too little, or start injecting too late relative to their photoperiod. As Wong states in his article here,


I think many users fall in the "Low injection rate" category, where they are only hitting optimum CO2 levels in the afternoon (when plants are using less of it to begin with!):
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But they don't realize that you can fix that either by 1) increasing surface agitation (for increased off-gassing) as well as increasing injection rate:
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OR by 2) Starting your CO2 injection way earlier than you think. For example:

Many hobbyists read "turn CO2 on 1 hour before lights" and end up with this:
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Where they are only reaching optimum levels waaaay too late in their photoperiod, when they really should either start the CO2 way earlier, or start their photoperiod way later, like this:
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To bring it all home (what I think):​

  • The Hanna CO2 test kit is a lot cheaper than a reliable pH pen/meter/computer, and requires no calibration fluids or calibration itself.
  • It's been tested to be somewhat accurate when compared to a very expensive aquatic CO2 testing device.
  • You can use something like the Hanna CO2 test kit to test for whether you're starting CO2 early enough, or whether you are even reaching equilibrium between off-gassing and injecting CO2.
  • Like all titration, it can be prone to user error. If the goal is light pink, everyone will see light pink differently. Just do your best to be consistent with your readings!
  • It costs $33+ shipping and will likely last the average user a few years (if the reagents don't go bad before then). Worth it!
Just another tool in the toolbox to help us with our tanks. Let me know what you think!
The other important take away from that article is the importance of off gassing and surface agitation- this is was a revelation. Because I always struggled with the concept of ramping co2 early because ok, you reach the desired level but you've got the rest of the day to go - doesnt the co2 level continue to rise? Well, not if you've got a good off gassing set up (surface area, agitation) - because to reach the equilibrium while inputting co2 you need the off gas to happen - otherwise your co2 will never level off - it will rise and kill your livestock. So the trick is high ramp up WITH good off gassing to reach a level and stay there. Playing around with that really helped me.
 

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