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So that is my daily dose currently.

I am water changing twice per week 50 percent .
New dosing starting today
9/.9/11.97/.9 & .3
No3,po4,k,mg &fe
Most report their dosing between water changes, which for many is 50%.

So yours would be roughly NO3 : PO4 : K at 31 : 3 : 42. Very rich NO3 and K as the max theoretical accumulations are 62 ppm NO3 and 84 ppm K. In my opinion more than any tank would ever need.

What you are using for micros? At .3 daily that's about 2.1 ppm weekly which again is on the high side.
 
Most report their dosing between water changes, which for many is 50%.

So yours would be roughly NO3 : PO4 : K at 31 : 3 : 42. Very rich NO3 and K as the max theoretical accumulations are 62 ppm NO3 and 84 ppm K. In my opinion more than any tank would ever need.

What you are using for micros? At .3 daily that's about 2.1 ppm weekly which again is on the high side.
Thank you for your immediate input this could very well save my plants

I am adding an attachment because currently I am using PPS pro. I think a lot of the confusion is the conversions for the fertilizer.

I am currently adding 9 mL of the macros daily and 3 mL of the micros

Sincerely
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I wanted to add that I am getting off the PPS pro sister immediately

I am also going to not use my current remineralizer which is salty shrimp bee shrimp GH +

It is the version with no KH.

Anyway after today I plan on using raw materials. Instead of a packaged system
 
I wanted to add that I am getting off the PPS pro sister immediately

I am also going to not use my current remineralizer which is salty shrimp bee shrimp GH +

It is the version with no KH.

Anyway after today I plan on using raw materials. Instead of a packaged system
I think it was 6-7 years ago when I made a similar decision with regards to PPS Pro. Was also in Joe Harvey's initial group of custom micro mixes. As for the RO, I have always used raw materials - probably got that from Gregg.
 
@GreggZ the numbers he reported are his weekly dose. For the time being, I told him to dose 1.5x the standard dose for his tank. On his tank, the standard dose is 6mL. Micros I figured he was fine because the standard dose would give him 0.3 Fe weekly with those numbers, which I figured should be enough for the time being. @PBITAWA completely understandably is still having some trouble totally getting the math with scaling up standard dosing to his tank size and adjusting it. He’s doing 50% water changes every 5 or six days, so he gets 6 doses in between water changes and is targeting about 18 - 1.8 - 24. I also recommended he add more phosphate to dose around 3-4ppm weekly since the GLA mix is so light on it.
 
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Yeah case in point here I do not even know how to report what I am doing what a nightmare lol anyway I really appreciate any and all help

Sincerely


++ So what are weekly numbers? The addition of all fertilizer doses throughout the week between water changes?

I would also like to add that I am more aggressive with water changing at the moment while I typically change water every five days maybe six right now I am changing water every 2 to 3 days.
 
Yeah case in point here I do not even know how to report what I am doing what a nightmare lol anyway I really appreciate any and all help

Sincerely


++ So what are weekly numbers? The addition of all fertilizer doses throughout the week between water changes?

I would also like to add that I am more aggressive with water changing at the moment while I typically change water every five days maybe six right now I am changing water every 2 to 3 days.
Generally the weekly numbers are how much you’re dosing Sunday-Saturday. You also say how many water changes and what percent the water changes are, because those details can affect the actual number that ends up in your water column and in general is helpful info for anyone who may be interesting in replicating your system.
 
I’m starting to understand my mistake here .

For example

Regardless if you tank is 10 gallons or 60 gallons like mine . 1ml of my macros “per”10 gallons gets me those daily numbers listed in the pps pro chart I have . So in my case with 6ml of macros I’m getting :

1/.1/1.33/.1
No3/po4/k/mg

my new plan is 9ml macros daily just to clarify

1.5/.15/1.995/.15 = daily dose ?!?

And 3ml micros
Gets my 60 gallon tank what ??? This number is lost to me right now thanks 🙏
 
I’m starting to understand my mistake here .

For example

Regardless if you tank is 10 gallons or 60 gallons like mine . 1ml of my macros “per”10 gallons gets me those daily numbers listed in the pps pro chart I have . So in my case with 6ml of macros I’m getting :

1/.1/1.33/.1
No3/po4/k/mg

my new plan is 9ml macros daily just to clarify

1.5/.15/1.995/.15 = daily dose ?!?

And 3ml micros
Gets my 60 gallon tank what ??? This number is lost to me right now thanks 🙏
Ding ding ding you got it! Nice! Yes, that is the daily amount when you’re dosing 9ml which gives you the weekly numbers you posted before, because you told me you were doing 6 doses a week. 0.5mL per 10 gallons, or in your case 3ML (0.5x6) gives you 0.05 Fe daily for your micro dose. If you did that dose 6 times your weekly amount of Fe would be 0.05 x 6 = 0.3 Fe.
 
Ok so final correction weekly totals here is :
9/.9/ 11.97
With .3 in micros
That’s given I do a water change after six daily dosings .

Nowwww… let’s mix it up for those of us that enjoy the punishment of learning new things

What if I start doing a water change every 3.5 days as in twice per week ? How does that change my numbers ? I’m assuming I need to determine how much residual is there and factor that into my second group of days ?

Thanks
Casey
 
Ooo , ok and another
Quoted from @Freshflora
“targeting about 18 - 1.8 - 24.”

So if I am targeting a certain amount in the water column how do I begin understanding how to determine what number I’m targeting based on my weekly totals ?

Directed at no one specific just a general question.
 
Ooo , ok and another
Quoted from @Freshflora
“targeting about 18 - 1.8 - 24.”

So if I am targeting a certain amount in the water column how do I begin understanding how to determine what number I’m targeting based on my weekly totals ?

Directed at no one specific just a general question.
The simple answer is for each parameter of dosing, the equation is [the weekly dosing amount] / [the percentage of water changed weekly expressed as a decimal].

let’s just take your weekly dose in nitrates, which is 9. And let’s assume you’re doing 1 weekly 50% water change so it’s simple. The math for your water column target for nitrates accounting for accumulation is 9 / .5 = 18.

In your case now, you’re doing 2-3 weekly water changes of 50%. If you remove half of the water the first water change of the week you’re still left with 50% of the original tank water and you’ve added 50% new water. You do another 50% water change and now you have 25% of the original tank water and 75% new tank water. If you did another 50% water change, you’d be left with 12.5% of the original water you started with that week, and you’d have replaced 87.5%.

So if you’ve done 3 50% water changes in a week, you’ve replaced 87.5% of the water. As a decimal, that’s .875. So to find your target for nitrates you would divide 9 by 0.875 = 10.3 (rounding to the nearest 10th).

If you do 2 50% water changes a week you’ve changed 75% of the water. So the equation would be 9 divided by .75 = 12.

One main takeaway from this is that your water change schedule affects your dosing, and that’s an important reason why you should stick to a consistent schedule as much as possible. It’s better to consistently stick to a specific water change schedule rather than some weeks 2 and others 3 and others 1, because you’re changing the dosing parameters by doing so which plants do not like. Plants love consistency. Of course there are times you need to step up water changes from once a week or slow down, and that’s okay, but you shouldn’t be constantly switching up how many water changes you do weekly if you want happy plants.

Another important thing to understand is the “target number” assumes that plants are not uptaking any nutrients. In order for there to actually be any accumulation, you have to have some amount of nutrients left over in the water column by the end of the week. So for example if you had 2 little fish in your 60 gallon tank and you were dosing 1ppm nitrate a week and it was densely planted, it would make no sense to seriously talk about the target number because the plants are probably just sucking up that 1ppm.

One reason I bring that up is because with your weekly amounts, you may not have much accumulation at all. Dennis Wong says all the time in his APT Complete dosed tanks that his nitrates measure 0-5, and he doses around 7ish nitrates a week with APT Complete. The idea of accumulation and “target” dosing numbers come originally from the EI dosing methodology, which aims to have nutrients in some amount of excess, so most often people who use the target numbers are also operating under the EI or an EI adjacent methodology. But it’s also a helpful way to convey to people your dosing and your water change schedule simultaneously.
 
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Will you be submitting it to the GSAC?? ;)
Thank you for even asking that . I’m not sure I’m quite polished enough to compete

I’m learning alot quickly about this garden style very neat .
 

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