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The growing dominance of Reddit on planted aquariums in the USA

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I used Reddit quite a lot when I got into planted tanks (~2016) and /r/plantedtank is the subreddit I've posted on and commented in the most. It wasn't the go-to place for planted tank information when I was a very active user (2018-2020) and Facebook had significantly more activity. When I got serious about planted tanks again (2023-2024) I went back to Facebook and it didn't seem nearly as active as it was previously. I haven't checked /r/plantedtank very much since I restarted because I hate reading all of the bad advice people give and that's a big part of why I decided to join ScapeCrunch.
 
I used Reddit quite a lot when I got into planted tanks (~2016) and /r/plantedtank is the subreddit I've posted on and commented in the most. It wasn't the go-to place for planted tank information when I was a very active user (2018-2020) and Facebook had significantly more activity. When I got serious about planted tanks again (2023-2024) I went back to Facebook and it didn't seem nearly as active as it was previously. I haven't checked /r/plantedtank very much since I restarted because I hate reading all of the bad advice people give and that's a big part of why I decided to join ScapeCrunch.
Still not the best place for information or discussion to be fair.

Well, if you can grow rotala wallichi you're probably advanced beyond 99% of the people there. That's not an insult, it's just mostly beginners.

The bar is much higher than before tho due to how widely available information is due to YouTube. So it has improved a lot.

But if you say anything like "I want to bring my ph from 8 to 6 so I can grow plants better" majority of the people there already disconnected with you.

To use forums you usually have to be willing to do a lot of digging and use it for research. Most people just want quick solutions, preferably using something very widely available and low-cost/free.
 
I think a bigger issue is when looking things up, google will direct you to Reddit more readily than forums. I lurked on forums for a while until I had the courage to join and not sound silly. There’s no question the forum format has the most dedicated and experienced to the hobbies and trades out there. Now whether those people are still active is another story, but still so many useful threads/ how to’s/ DIY/ etc.
 
Also, lots of younger (actually, all) people (myself included) don't like Facebook anymore and have left the platform.

Reddit isn't much better, but I'm able to actually use it to curate homepages that aren't all algorithm-based. I have an account that is JUST for gardening, a few local things, and aquarium-related stuff. Hard to do that elsewhere without shorts/reels/ads bombarding you.

Not to mention that (even with AI) if I want a real review of something I usually type "Review x product Reddit" or "DIY Floor Refinishing Reddit".
 
I left the FB planted tank groups entirely but still watch the reddit groups and occasionally answer questions. The general level of knowledge really comes out though when I post a photo of one of my tanks and get treated like an aquascaping God. LOL!
 
A lot of it as well might just be due to the trend of people preferring low maintenance aquariums, which you really dont need to go on a forum to find specialty information for.

I have even gotten tired of the higher tech route myself and am going to convert all my tanks to Surdipticas no co2 aquasoil low ph style tanks.
Preferably I'd drain the water from my 10 gallons halfway and just turn them into shallow no filter tanks as the eventual goal.
 
Planted discussion has become more decentralized as a whole.

Folks can use instagram and other social media to directly message content creators they favor and in most countries/regions there will be localized groups in whatsapp/telegram/facebook where folks can get advice and experience from folks that are in more familiar situations to themselves. The Indonesian aquascaping facebook group for example, is bigger and more active than most international facebook groups. Localized smaller influencers have a lot more local pull than before. The volume of interactions in such groups dwarf reddit or international fb groups or this forum for that matter. Big youtube channels and such still get a lot of views, but the discussions of aquarium issues and stuff has become mostly localized. Planted tank discussion has not diminished (except in the eyes of folks that only participate in international forums/groups), it has just gotton decentralized. An aspiring aquascaper can message Josh Sim and Fukada directly and get feedback, he doesn't need to do a forum post any more.
 
Thanks everyone. Very interesting.

My personal feelings are that the online planted aquarium conversation continues to evolve. And, that's perfectly natural. I'm confident that people will continue to find ways to learn, share and form communities as our interconnected world continues to digest new technologies.

I think we look for three things online as planted aquarium enthusiasts -
  1. information to help us learn or solve a problem,
  2. inspiration, and
  3. community.

Exchange of information​

AI (AI slop) is now disrupting those social media platforms that focused on quick exchange of information as the basis for interaction. It can scour the entire Internet to pull answer(s) for your question. Much better than humans on Facebook or Reddit can.

Facebook, for example, is very transactional. I post a question and I can get a multitude of answers quickly. Then the interaction disappears into the nether. If that is all one cares about, then I would think that AI platforms will take over from Facebook and we will see a decrease in its importance for the planted aquarium hobby.

Now, this works for questions that have a straightforward answer. AI is good with that and will be much better very soon. I'm grateful for that. How easy is it to ask AI this question and get a quick answer, "How much KNO3 do I need to add to my 10 gallon tank to reach a NO3 level of 10?"

However, most true learning goes hand in hand with experience. The data must be applied to a context and, sometimes, some critical thinking or guess work is involved. The question may be something like, "Has anyone dealt with AquaSoil's ability to soak up PO4 when you are trying to grow blood vomit in the foreground and getting a blanket of BGA?"

This type of question is much better answered by people with the shared experience. Those that can help solve a problem using experiential knowledge and, sometimes, wisdom. AI is not good at that.

To me, forums excel at the latter question. We share our experiences and knowledge in context and are able to give much richer answers to these more complex questions.

Inspiration​

We all need eye candy to get inspiration for what we want to do. Heck, most of us are in this hoppy because we came across some amazing aquascape, likely online or in a book, and we were hooked. It's an important part of our hobby that I don't think we appreciate as much as we should.

I was just at the Lisbon Oceanario to see Takashi Amano's exhibit. I can honestly say it inspired (re-inspired) my love for the nature aquarium concept. I think we all need some of this from time to time.

Certainly, we can ask AI to pull up aquascaping pictures. Certainly, scrolling through Instagram can be inspiring. There are beautiful aquascapes on Facebook and, even, Reddit.

They don't really convey the raw authenticity that I get from going through the Journals on this site. It's different when I look at the beauty of @GreggZ or @Naturescapes_Rocco's tanks. @Dennis Wong's amazing tanks. Why? Because I feel I know them more than some unknown poster on other platforms. To me, forums can also be inspirational with that additional level of personal touch.

Community​

Lastly, I don't think there is a better platform to build and be part of a community than forums. Forums are designed to encourage genuine and deep human connection. When you add information sharing and inspiration, they do seem to have all three things that I think are so important for you to get the most out of your hobby.

The one area that I believe is missing, at least formally, is the ability for forum members to create decentralized (or centralized, depending on your point of view) smaller groups. Similar to what @Dennis Wong mentions above regarding smaller Facebook groups that are regional focused.

Why are smaller, regional groups important?

I think because we are humans that crave some things that technology can't give us. AI, Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, and even, ScapeCrunch, cannot make you feel the same way you feel when you are awed with a walk through a forest. None can make you feel like nature makes you feel. You have to go into nature to feel it.

Similarly, chatting with all of you via the threads, or even through a one-on-one message, is great. I feel I have friends all over the world. It's wonderful. However, as a human, I would also really like the experience of sharing a couple of cold or warm beverages with you and talk in person about our aquariums. Post COVID, we've all learned the true benefits of meeting in person. Technology cannot replace that.

Smaller groups facilitate the in person connections that we sometimes crave. This is why I asked the question about ScapeCrunch turning on the social group feature. Imagine the Southern Illinois ScapeCrunch Members having a section of ScapeCrunch where they can trade locally or plan a gathering on a weekend. Or, those that keep rainbowfish, or Bucephalandra or even those that keep shrimp?

I know we voted the feature down for now. But I think it's an important one.
 
Smaller groups facilitate the in person connections that we sometimes crave. This is why I asked the question about ScapeCrunch turning on the social group feature.
I agree with this, and I also think it might be something that won't work for everyone, but might for a group or two here and there. And if we did start a North Carolina Scapecrunch group, the first round is on me!

I love the knowledge and learning I get here because I can trust the advice I get, you guys all know your stuff!
 
I agree. I don't use Facebook so can't speak to it but I am a reddit user. And community at that level of scale is hard to build I think. Also it suffers from the same levels of impatience and lack of tact that most social media suffers from. One typo and 7 guys will jump on you.

In addition unfortunately it's filled with questionable advice imho. I think the difference between that a place like this is like that of short form video (reddit) and a two hour podcast. It's nice to have a short form in something but if you want more detail and to really get under the skin you need long form.
 
I love the knowledge and learning I get here because I can trust the advice I get, you guys all know your stuff!

This right here. I haven't even bought my first tank yet (I tend to research expensive projects to death before pulling the trigger lol) and this place, along with another forum I frequent have been an absolute wealth of knowledge. Even if you end up talked into a much more expensive setup sometimes lol. But hey, buy once, cry once, right? I've gotten used to seeing the names that seem to be well respected and those members' words tend to hold significant weight. AI can't replace that. I don't think Reddit can replace it, either. This hobby is fairly niche, especially considering the sheer knowledge base on this forum alone. I've learned more on this forum than I probably would have learned in years of fishkeeping and aqua scaping.

I started this journey wanting a 29G tank with a HOB. Now it is going to be a 75G with an FX2 and CO2! And yes, there will be a journal on it!

-B
 

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