Cryptocoryne nurii from TC?

[ElleDee]

Anyone have experience growing this from TC? I'm trying to get a feel if it's more touchy like 'Flamingo' or just a test of patience but otherwise easy like all the other TC crypts I've done. This would be in a low tech setup with varying light intensities depending on location in the tank. I also am comfortable growing them emersed for a while if I have to, but obviously that's more work.

Also, the description says that it's 'Rosen Maiden' but the verbiage is weird. Why not sell it as 'Rosen Maiden' if that's what it is? Tropica also says something very similar about their C. nurii TC, but says it about 'Rose Maiden', which is probably a typo or synonym, but I can't be sure. (There's a history of people giving cultivars very similar names to cause confusion, though I don't think it happens much if ever in the modern era for legal reasons.) You reckon the TC material is truly 'Rosen Maiden', or is it actually the straight species and the description is confused/misleading?

 

[Mr.Shenanagins]

This is my issue with APF, they DO mislabel plants and they DON’T accept their mistakes. I once purchased 53b from them as well as some other members here and what I received was likely Salicifolia or something similar. After sending them a picture of the plants I had and comparison photos of true 53B, they STILL insisted I was wrong and that I had the correct plant.

I was hesitant myself to get this exact plant for your same concern. So far I’m 0-2 with crypt TC, both flamingo and the new variety Sindoor. I’ve seen Rosen maiden on Etsy and Ebay as well if you want to try there

 

[ElleDee]

This is my issue with APF, they DO mislabel plants and they DON’T accept their mistakes. I once purchased 53b from them as well as some other members here and what I received was likely Salicifolia or something similar. After sending them a picture of the plants I had and comparison photos of true 53B, they STILL insisted I was wrong and that I had the correct plant.

I was hesitant myself to get this exact plant for your same concern. So far I’m 0-2 with crypt TC, both flamingo and the new variety Sindoor. I’ve seen Rosen maiden on Etsy and Ebay as well if you want to try there

Honestly, I don't have a whole lot of confidence in the industry as a whole with plant identification, and that goes triple for something like crypts where they are so variable and a pain to flower... and even then, some of them you need to be able to dissect and know what you are looking at to key out. In this case, I just would like the TC to match what everyone is passing around as 'Rosen Maiden', and whether or not that is actually even C. nurii I just don't care.

That sucks that APF has just straight up sent the wrong plant and didn't make it right. It's possible their stock plants are mislabeled, but they should be able to figure that out.

I think if you tried some less sensitive crypts you would have a different experience. It's so cost effective! I've done six taxa and with five every plantlet survived. C. parva was the one failure, but the explants were not ready to prime time - no roots, and poorly differentiated, hyperhydrated shoots. That one was doomed before I opened the cup. Has anyone gotten Sindoor to grow well yet? Is there a single picture of a full plant, even a promotional photo? I wouldn't blame yourself for that one at any rate.

I'll have to think about what I really want to do with C. nurii. My LFS carries the Tropica TC, so I that's an option, but if it's going to be difficult to transition I would rather just get a full plant and maybe get one of the more interesting cultivars.

 

[Mr.Shenanagins]

I have seen grown in versions of Rosen maiden on Etsy and EBay, and the other one that catches my eye is Jacobseni Pink. I truly think TC is luck of the draw.

 

[Art]

Well, this is an interesting thread!

There was a time, many years ago, that I was obsessed with Cryptocorynes and attempted to keep a tissue culture collection as many of their native habitats were being destroyed. I assume you both have read Dr. Michael Kane's articles on tissue culture of the species? His work is what got me into the TC business.

Ultimately, I gave it up because I had baby food jars growing in almost every closet of my house and I didn't have the time to sell the plants. Tissue culture is amazing as you can generate a significant number of plants in such a short time. Great if you want a side business.

As for identification errors, especially with Crypts, it's a very common problem. You really need to flower a plant to be able to properly identify it. Even then, some may need DNA testing. So, I don't get angry with a retailer unless it is egregious because they are simply selling it off based on the name that the grower or distributor told them.

To me, growing them emersed was the best way to keep the more difficult ones. I received very rare ones from Claus Christensen of Tropica and Jan Bastmeijer. Jan's site is a treasure trove of information. Neils Jacobsen wrote THE work on crypts, IMO. He too was very involved with TC of the species.

My growing method was traditional TC but then grow out in specialized seedling beds (beech tree litter and a professional growing soil) with misting and 100% humidity. Slowly the humidity was lowered until it was about 75% and the plants had hardened.

Anyway, I'm off on a tangent!

I'm sure I speak for the rest of us. Where are the pictures???

 

[ElleDee]

I have seen grown in versions of Rosen maiden on Etsy and EBay, and the other one that catches my eye is Jacobseni Pink. I truly think TC is luck of the draw.

I think that might have been the first cultivar I ever saw! Just beautiful. Liquid Creations carried it back in the day, I think, and it was in my list of "plants I'm going to get when I get more experience" and then the guy closed shop before I was ready. (I did get some easy stuff from him, including 'Narrow K' my favorite, most prolific java fern that seems to be commercially unavailable now.)

I don't think TC is the luck of the draw though. Much like children, some are just easier than others.

Well, this is an interesting thread!

There was a time, many years ago, that I was obsessed with Cryptocorynes and attempted to keep a tissue culture collection as many of their native habitats were being destroyed. I assume you both have read Dr. Michael Kane's articles on tissue culture of the species? His work is what got me into the TC business.

Ultimately, I gave it up because I had baby food jars growing in almost every closet of my house and I didn't have the time to sell the plants. Tissue culture is amazing as you can generate a significant number of plants in such a short time. Great if you want a side business.

As for identification errors, especially with Crypts, it's a very common problem. You really need to flower a plant to be able to properly identify it. Even then, some may need DNA testing. So, I don't get angry with a retailer unless it is egregious because they are simply selling it off based on the name that the grower or distributor told them.

To me, growing them emersed was the best way to keep the more difficult ones. I received very rare ones from Claus Christensen of Tropica and Jan Bastmeijer. Jan's site is a treasure trove of information. Neils Jacobsen wrote THE work on crypts, IMO. He too was very involved with TC of the species.

My growing method was traditional TC but then grow out in specialized seedling beds (beech tree litter and a professional growing soil) with misting and 100% humidity. Slowly the humidity was lowered until it was about 75% and the plants had hardened.

Anyway, I'm off on a tangent!

I'm sure I speak for the rest of us. Where are the pictures???

I love a good tangent! So, did you have an autoclave and flow hood when you were doing this? The lab I did my MS with did a lot of tissue culture, so I've got a fair amount of hands on experience with it myself. I'm rusty now, but it gets me nostalgic.

It's wonderful for crypts, buce, etc. where poaching and habitat destruction is such an issue as you said. I think it's sort of incredible that it's become so normalized in the hobby as a direct-to-consumer product, but it doesn't feel like people don't quite know how to handle them yet. Probably because there's the most demand for the more sensitive plants? Or maybe because beginners are too intimidated to take them on? I have found them incredibly easy to grow emersed using an enclosed aquarium as a greenhouse (stem plants even more so than crypts), but not that many people are interested in growing them on that way it seems.